> landlords don't coordinate with employers to take rent from wages Some do. Ever hear of Section 8 housing? The fact that most landlords collect rent in a different manner does not change the fact that the government is a landlord who extracts "rent" (taxes) from everyone who lives on its land.

> I oppose excessive taxation, not all taxation That is also my opinion

People who oppose taxation are like people who oppose rent Oh, you want free stuff? Get in line, the real world costs money Libertarianism is just crybaby communism

> Changing house to rent and changing country do not share the same level of practicality That is only because most landlords have noncontiguous holdings whose relative size is small compared to a country. Make a landlord's holdings big enough (and all contiguous) and it starts to be pretty hard to leave, especially if your work and family etc. are all on that property When a landlord gets big enough we start calling him a king, and instead of saying "voluntary rental payments" we start saying "compulsory tax payments" But they are the same thing. A country is like a really big apartment, and the people who live there are tenants who owe payments to the landlords (the government)

Yes, and then you can charge your tenants You can also become a king and charge taxes, and if your citizens demand 0 taxes you will know why this libertarian nonsense is just communism in disguise, the same thing as renters demanding 0 rent

Wrong, because taxes are not theft, taxes are rent People who oppose taxes are the whiny people I'm complaining about Communists, the lot of them

The differences are skin deep. Private corporations are just as capable of using force as governments are, and are often eager to "become" governments as soon as the opportunity arises. Consider rent. The payments you make seem voluntarily when you have options, but living somewhere is indispensable. A landlord who acquires enough rival apartments can grow so large as to become a king, and at some point people stop saying "voluntary rental payments" and start saying "compulsory tax payments." But they are the same thing. A country is an apartment writ large.

"not understanding economics is why your argument isn't compelling" I challenge you to find a proof somewhere in economics that contradicts my argument

The fact that I said "you don't need to be an economist to see this" and you read it as "economics is irrelevant" shows your reading comprehension

You aren't my landlord The government is your landlord

> it's whether payment is negotiated or extracted

I am not pro theft