yeah i was doing the elon musk quote about the press meme

Who do you think *owns* the vaccine companies? Hello.

Running waydroid on linux on unaccelerated qemu is a lot of abstraction layers. I just want to run White Noise but they don’t have a desktop client. And I can’t imagine that will be a pleasant user experience in that mode of operation. Stretches the bounds of reasonability.

it's cool. If I get enough Nostr followers, I will do videos here. So get people to follow me here instead of YT.

I agree that it is by far the best UX on Nostr, and I even said upthread that it would be my daily driver if it weren’t centralized. And that and also that it has the most people is exactly why it is absolutely dangerous for it to be so centralized. The largest client shouldn’t have the ability to subtly manipulate the reach/exposure of notes and identities without anyone being able to tell. That’s a capability that nobody should have, and sidesteps the entire point of Nostr.

It is not. Zcash is a scam shitcoin run by snitches, whose own founder openly tweeted about making shielded transactions available to law enforcement, and with FCMP++ Monero is about to push superior theoretical privacy to Zcash. Up until now, Zcash has only had better theoretical privacy with zk-Snarks, but its practical privacy has been worse every second of its existence. I am sorry you do not know what you are talking about, but if you actually used these technologies in areas where privacy and censorship resistance mattered, you would find that using ZEC gets you kicked off of exchanges just like Bitcoin, and using Monero is the only reliable and safe way to transact.

Giving a decentralized rail protects Primal too longterm, because if Nostr ever gets traction courts and intelligence services will go after them demanding takedowns. Making it a neutral browser with an optional algorithmic feed would make them more like a network operator. Right now they’re an editorializing publisher.

Okay this is fully sick

It should be a clear choice, rather than mere opt-out. User launches Primal for the first time and is given two options “decentralized and censorship resistant” or “speedy algorithmic feed with low data usage for cellphone plans”. I’d be perfectly happy with that. I’ve said it a million times. But any suggestion that they change they not position themselves as a censor and point of centralization is met with a horde of aggressive shills. It makes no fucking sense at all unless they are incentivized somehow to defend Primal’s subversion of Nostr. Primal should admit that their caching server is editorialized/moderated and not the decentralized protocol. People should have informed consent. Just let them know the difference. The caching server comes with positive elements too. It clearly uses less data, and for a lot of the world that matters a lot.

> mean when quantum hits, we're gonna have to shift our keys to PQE anyways sure, and however Bitcoin handles that should probably set the standard for Nostr, as Nostr identities are just a Bitcoin key. > i understand your point, i'm just saying why not have efficiency where possible? i don’t know, why aren’t you writing a whole stack of nostr tools in assembler and forth under this logic? probably because it’s a completely ridiculous statement. Prematurely optimizing something that no nostr client spends significant computation cycles on is stupid, and your “optimization” starts with me to spend time circulating an entirely new identity? to save whatever infinitesimal fraction of compute that my nostr clients spends on cryptography, practically nothing? sorry, this is a just frustratingly dumb proposal, and it displays the kind of nerd contempt for people’s time that makes adoption of these kinds of things difficult in the first place. Imagine you were pushing me a fucking memecoin, I call you a faggot, and then you are just innocently being like “we both are interested in permissionless currency, why are you belittling me?” Well, because your behavior solicits contempt. As far as I am concerned, Nostr is the identity standard. It is self-evidently so because we are having this conversation on Nostr. I am unwilling to entertain your idea of spending countless hours getting people to find me on a *new* protocol with a *new* key format. I would treat this conversation with contempt even if my Nostr client was pegging a whole fucking processor core (it never has)

At this point you have to start asking — who the hell are Primal’s investors? Who is really calling the shots? Who is on its board? Max Webster of Hivemind Ventures, for example, comes basically out of nowhere. He had an international solar energy (potentially a literal glownigger) company funded by Max Levchin, which just inches very closely to the surveillance economy and Peter Thiel’s Palantir. Then he was at Version One, a VC firm which was run by an a16z board member. I’m not trying to personalize this, but I’ve never seen anything so ridiculously shilled on Nostr as this “Primal is decentralized” narrative. It makes no sense that it is pushed so aggressively and defended so hard. Do so many random small accounts have that much brand loyalty to one of many Nostr clients? Why wouldn’t they want it to be more, not less decentralized? Why would they be demanding that Primal be able to censor people. It makes way more sense that this is a paid PR strategy.

come on bro this shit is ancient, theres no device that can safely run internet apps that cant do a ton of secp256k1 signing. you are hysterical. i don't want to have to circulate yet another pubkey for yet another protocol. you are saying that i should accept a fucking app wasting valuable hours of my time to save a few cpu cycles somewhere. absolutely retarded

You don’t understand that Primal is already curating its algorithmic feed. That’s a form of editorialization and censorship. You aren’t checking the entire Nostr social graph — you are only checking specific posts. Even a tiny smidgeon of statistical bias can completely change the social graph. Normal people are not using 4 Nostr clients, and you are only checking for *your* posts. This means you would only notice censorship both if it were happening to you and only if Primal censored the posts to the author as well. Obviously, that’s never how it works. Shadowbanning is the absolute inverse. You don’t get any notification that you’re banned, but your reach is limited beyond the capacity of a normal person to demonstrate how, and sometimes isn’t even noticed by the author.

Post history I don’t care about, but maintaining identity and following/follower graph is pretty important. Who cares about secp256k1 performance? Most people are on a pretty new ARM processor. It is deranged to talk about crypto performance.

“It is open source and you can run your own” does not make it not censorious — Mastodon is open source and you can run your own, and it is a hotbed of censorship. “Just run your own social media service!” is the exact echo of the most censorious people on earth. Most clients outside Primal have multiple relays by default, most or all of which they do not control. This includes Amethyst, Damus, Wisp, etc. If chooses Damus to block me on their relay, most people are still going to see my content because I am publishing to the other relays. Also most people can, via the relay hints provided by nevents when you quote a post, fetch my content from relays I post to even if you do not directly follow me or subscribe to my relay. If Primus blocks me from their caching server’s algorithmic feed, then I am silently erased and you will never see my content again. The only way this is different from Twitter is because people can take their elsewhere, but they provide no notice to users or opportunity for transparency as to what content they have removed. It is not just “caching the content from the relay” btw, it is selecting who gets seen at all in an editorialized fashion. And they have been caught not only censoring likes, but censoring entirely the display of basic post content in their algorithmic relay feed.

Micron? More like my crohn’s disease

Please someone get Trump on the line and tell him to start using “Rim Cook” instead of “Tim Apple”

implement multisig and add a new key format that uses whatever PQC thing Bitcoin ends up with

Okay well, at this point, if you do anything it should use Nostr’s identity and authentication format as the standard. I should be able to use my npub and bunker or browser extension with whatever you do. Or I’m completely uninterested and will probably be relatively hostile to it.

oh yes, this is just fine, if you make the seeding method social and default. I like how it is blossom compatible too, so it would allow a smooth transition from legacy clients. Very good. Props to the iris people!