Had to look that up: "Cliquey = tending to form or hold exclusive groups and so not welcoming to outsiders." Definitely! We can make it more open though, there's always that possibility. I think it's changing to be honest. Some curation would definitely help too, some interesting debates/conversations, etc. Tags to follow those debates. Like for example: #conversation #asknostr #debate #debatenostr #political #politics Something like this? A combination that always has great discussions at all times? :D

Absolutely. I think the cool thing that can happen here are long-form out of the box conversations between all kinds of people. You know, really high resolution conversations that offend everybody on the left and right. Like for example being pro-UBI, Bitcoin, Swiss democracy, etc. Stuff that is very political and requires long form, civil, uncensorable communication. Overcoming the left and right barriers, norms, current ideas, etc. Really building/discussing ideas. I really like that kind of content but I don't see much (any) of it here. It would be really cool to have that kind of debate/conversation here. That debate happens on Reddit currently. It would be really cool if it started happening here. I think this is how we bring Reddit here too eventually. This is what interests me at least, high resolution conversations with good spirited people that really want to think and build something together. What interests you? What would you like to see on Nostr? What would you guys like to see on Nostr?

But they can and always will though. Isn't that what Nodes are about? If the network culturally decides that certain transactions are money and others aren't that's completely technically possible. And more, with Nostr that becomes even easier because people will choose nodes for their transactions based on culture. You obviously know this, you just disagree with the direction it's being taken. And that's completely fine too. Now with that said, or more specifically with the understanding that people, the masses, the votes because nodes are cheap to setup AND users can choose them specifically, i.e nodes can definitely decide Bitcoin's direction, that it's really just a cultural thing and not a technical thing, and thus nodes can and will always be needed to steer Bitcoin's direction, my question is: Why aren't you inspiring the world for the change you want to bring to Bitcoin? That's the part that I really don't understand. In other words, why are you just criticizing their arguments and not trying to understand them and perhaps accomodate them and create a better alternative with all sides considered? In other words, what's your vision? What's your better alternative?

I'm having a hard time understand the gold guys. Do these people really don't see gold as risky? How can they know if their gold is safe? How many times has gold been confiscated, paper faked, etc, etc? But this time it's supposed to be different? They might call me insane with this idea of Bitcoin, digital money, etc, etc, but I can't call them naive from not learning from history? #bitcoin #gold #economics

You can't have capitalism without capital. If capital sits only at the top it's feudalism, not capitalism. Great post by . Finally there's some interesting positions being posted on Nostr, not just the same Bitcoin memes. #economy #politics #philosophy

UBI is a ticket to serfdom but divisive printing to fund the 5% at the top and then something like 30% more of people that are gov workers or welfare families, that's fine. And now you say NO it's not, we need to abolish the State. OR you say that we need socialism or communism. And then I say good luck with that. And that's it, nothing is said, nothing is added, no resolution is added.

Condemn violence, focus on UBI and Bitcoin. A new left needs to come about. You're a great voice . Keep going and keep strong. I think better times will come for the left but it needs to find better ideas. For me it's the UBI. The left only needs to focus on UBI, nothing else.

The goal is to be in service of each other. That was always the goal.

Interesting, in what way do you think the Nazis were formed that way by the way?

When does the economy collapse and people can actually read about what is money? #politics #bitcoin

Maybe he does though. This is just a post. Maybe he's pretty voluntaryist in his thinking. Who knows? I know I am voluntaryist, for me the most voluntaryist way is always the best. In my view the very wealthy in the right conditions will definitely want to contribute. If the ideas are good, and they offer legacy, productivity, power maintenance, everybody will want to come in. I think the real problem with taxation for most people is that it's money spent in the most ridiculous of things. I fully agree!

I think that are many things Bitcoiners can do to get out in a good shape on the other side. For example: - Promote Bitcoin as the store of value to real estate capital, facilitating the real estate demonetization that needs to happen globally for a better power of purchase for everyone In other words, Bitcoiners need to be seen as the asset that helped houses become cheaper. And I think that's going to happen inevitably.

Japan, a country that has learned from Confucianism, Buddhism, Shintoism and other stuff, I think for me is one of the (if not the) most incredible country on earth. A group of very smart people, kind, respectful, in perfect harmony with nature and themselves, making mindblowingly beautiful and smart art, technology, innovation. I mean, isn't Japan perfect? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYT9wVwQ8A #politics #japan #economy #philosophy

None of this would ever work. The market doesn't want this. Bitcoin doesn't need this, and this is just the Bitcoin's version of fake culture/political wars from real life (left vs right), that all they do is distract from the things that really matter. And what matters to you is going to be different than matters to another person, etc. But there's certainly things that matter more or less...

I'm sorry but is "being toxic" supposed to be an argument somehow? Bitcoin is a monetary network. The v30 changes that nature and opens institutional/legal attack vectors. It's a very strong point. Bitcoin needs to remain exactly as it is. If it's not broken don't fix it. There's plenty of broken things to fix in the world. Bitcoin is fundamental for the world, this is not a trivial matter at all. We need to be extremely careful with it.

It's not about who is the progressive radical or not. Bitcoin is going to work for everyone in the end. It's just about understanding all sides. It's going to work for everyone. This kind of fake cultural wars have no place in our layer of the world. We can talk uncensorably and trade uncensorably forever. What does this mean? This means that the connection between us is what matters. So what's the connection between us? That's the question that we should be really asking and talking about. What I'm saying is, thinking that we're separate is the problem, that's the mistake. There's no separation between anyone. We can learn from all sides. This idea of good sides or bad sides is wrong. I never said a side was good or bad. It was a context for the sake of a discussion. The goal of a discussion is to learn something, not "win" the discussion. The real win of a discussion is when people learn something new they haven't thought about.

I know everybody wants their best for Bitcoin but I do think we have to be careful and think things carefully. Everything can change consensus, all the time. Consensus is not a static thing, it's an ever changing thing, that depends on every single opinion and points, including yours and mine. Consensus is never static, it's always changing. Everything matters, everything is delicate. I honestly just see the whole patterns of the old left vs right. "This doesn't change anything", "everything is fine", "it's all good". Some things are fine others are not. We need to be extremely careful and specific. This is probably the most important tool of humanity. At least from my perspective. I honestly think the enemy more and more is going to be devs coming from crypto projects with their capital, blockchain/crypto skills and free time, looking at "expand Bitcoin uses" technical crowd. I would honestly and with kindness say: find something better to spend your time on. Move to AI, plenty of technical stuff to do there. Learn a new skill. Volunteer. Stray cats for example, I'm sure there's stray cats in your area. Bitcoin adoption for example. Rural living, growing food, etc. Learn something outside technical skills. People need to learn more stuff. This is not a post for you personally, it's for the kind of person I'm describing. Bitcoin needs to be treated very conservately and it's important to open our minds when it comes to what really is useful for the world.

Everybody gets UBI, that's the U, Universal part of the UBI. Universal means unconditional, everyone gets it, regardless of anything. No conditions. That's the premise already. On the opposite, this is the Malthusian paradise. You have to either suck the balls of the State OR the rich. UBI is, like Bitcoin, a way to not need to suck the balls of anyone and the only way to truly remove the spirit of destructive revolution that left will ALWAYS have. UBI is the only way to end socialism/communism, in my view.

Yes. But the left will never accept that. They'll burn the world down before that happens. This is why I think the way is to just convert government into a UBI. It's the same as ending taxes for poor and middle class people. It's even better actually. And we could finally end this sectarian enslavement they are making everyone else go through. Because it's also very true that a LOT of people became extremely wealthy because of fiat printing. That imbalance is not fair and must be corrected. And nobody loses anything economically speaking with UBI, in fact it's the most economic efficient tool for everyone.

And more, they don't think some people will want to trade the gold Yuan for Bitcoin to better store value? For example, Brazilians. Brazilians would sell agriculture products to China, get paid in gold Yuan. The Chinese guarantee with their super high tech transparent system that it's backed 1 to 1. Now, how much of it will a Brazilian farmer actually store as Yuan, and how much do they actually trade for better money (like Bitcoin)? Because these things will happen. Individuals are not States. These State elites think they can decide what's money just per se. We've been through that. That's only possible until there's better money created. Better money has been created. And this is clearly what I think the US move will be. I mean, do they think the US simply disappears from the map? We can say many bad things about Americans, one thing we can't say is that they aren't smart...

I honestly think you're absolutely right. It's exactly like a religion. I've literally heard from people that Trump defunding these kinds of surgeries is the same as "killing people". It's absolutely insane but I really heard this from a person. And talking about people that apart from that would be considered normal and rational. Normal and smart people. Another thing I understood is that it's a religion based on fear. As if defunding these things is always the first step to genocide. "It all starts by defunding things, next thing you know it they're sending us to the gas chambers." It's like, what are you talking about? This was another thing I found interesting, the paranoia. Something I don't truly understand. As if there was this energy against LGBTQ people in the West, a hate towards them. Nobody cares, at least from my perspective. And at least for now, because if these people truly start committing acts of violence I can believe things would change.

Yes, that's always what governments do. They called it Financial Repression in the 1940s. Everybody does the same thing since the Central Banks were invented, including Weimar Germany. Inflate the debt away with a soft or hard reset, i.e start "backing" your currency with hard assets, land, gold, oil reserves, Bitcoin, etc, launch a new currency or just monetize those assets by creating mechanisms that allow governments to use it as collateral somehow to borrow money, stuff like this, without creating a new currency. There's many ways to do this, with a new or just the same currency, soft or hard links. Basically governments monetize the asset part of their balance sheets, i.e land, gold, bitcoin, oil reserves, etc, etc, and then they do a soft or hard link between that and their fiat currency. This time it's definitely going to be gold and Bitcoin because it's the easiest way to do it because Bitcoin is a neutral reserve system, very easy to be audited globally, etc. It's just the perfect collateral.

Saylor never disappoints. One of the great thinkers of our time. Watch him here give his position on Bitcoin development and thus also about the Bitcoin Knots vs Core thing: https://x.com/saylor/status/1970942399078940791 #bitcoin

What I'm more mindblown about is the reactions to Charlie Kirk's death. The reactions. I've seen people that I speak often with, that seem like normal people, be happy about this. A run of the mill moderate Christian conservative, into free-market, etc. Absolutely nothing special about this guy. Probably half of America is like this. And he's Hitler and deserved to die? Why, because someone told you so? I'm cutting off some people from my life. I want to surround myself with real people with actual values. A lot of people are completely brainwashed by the most ridiculous of things. It's like Covid, you don't know them until you do.

Why not? As long as people can buy what they need and have quality of life, that labour can be cheap for someone. Or not?

What violency is he advocating for? He's just arguing for more open UBI like redistribution models and that the wealthy will want more of that. Which they already do. The really wealthy people don't think in ideology, they think in risk analysis. And also one doesn't know the actual numbers is advocating for, this would target the very wealthy. The thing is, there's a real risk that socialism comes back. What Dr. Jeff is arguing for is a middle way, pragmatic and innovative solution to avoid precisely that. The State already exists, the state already forces you to pay taxes, we don't need to pretend as if that wasn't the case.

Thank you and likewise! Nostr drastically needs good thinkers and strong research/deep content. It'll get there!

Right on, I absolutely agree with this kind of position. I too believe this kind of direction is going to be inevitable all over the world. There's going to be UBI like redistribution, the States will need become more efficient and focus on that UBI like redistribution mechanisms mostly, and the wealthy in time will more openly contribute because they see it as the win-win-win, they'll realize it's the best way to maintain and expand their position (because UBI is the win-win-win, etc). - Money needs to flow from real estate to a UBI and Bitcoin People here disagree with it because this is a very specific and niche group that sees things from a more ideological perspective than a purely economic perspective, which I believe is very good at (strong macro analysis, plenty of numbers, etc, etc). Because if one looks at the economic numbers and historical parallels, this kind of model ends in self-destruction. The numbers simply don't fit. The numbers don't work. This system can't work like this. Forget about ideology, the current economic model simply doesn't work. And this is incredibly bad for capitalism. Because you can't have capitalism without capital. If capital sits only at the top it's feudalism, not capitalism. I'm actually writing/working in this direction. I think UBI is not only perfectly compatible but fundamental for a more capitalist future. A transitional model to a more voluntaryist future that everybody here loves and wants. And that I personally admire too. But the numbers simply don't allow that to happen right now. And people need to understand that...