I really want to make fun of these people, but we gotta try our hardest to be nice at first. I know, I'm asking for a lot!

I'm already looking at an MVP right here

At the recently held muslim tech fest in London, it looks like they platformed shitcoiners and someone from google's AI team. I think this is probably a good spot for us to go to next year's event and see if we can put Nostr on the map (and Bitcoin too obviously). I'll see if I can set up a panel or something to talk nostr. Let me know if you're interested.

Basically, cybercults solve the tension between total decentralization and normative guidance through culture instead of control. I'd say that SAIF has addressed the core problem, but not as a purely technical question. They see it as more of a "civilizational" design problem. Decentralized tech is the foundation, but the real work, at least initially, is symbolic, cultural, and also memetic. A SAIFnostr would ideally work by building an environment where haram has no gravity.

I'm of the mind that both are needed, specifically for nostr, because like you said, no one even knows what nostr is or even heard of it. I feel like going all in on the second approach works well for Bitcoin since that's been around for a while and there's infrastructure already developed. Like we don't really need Islamic Finance to move "Muslim Bitcoin" forward. Build without them. With Nostr, I think at the very least we could start with "hey looks guys! We exist and we're here to do x y z and completely change everything!". The building and funding needs to happen too obviously, otherwise nothing will happen. But we need to be somewhere on the map too as we start planning and building. For me personally, I feel like I make a way better salesman than I ever can trying to develop and build something

One idea I want to implement, is to set up a panel, talk, or booth, or all three, at the Muslim tech fest event in London., happened like 2 weeks ago. Looks like lots of relevant Muslims were there. I think it would be the perfect place to pitch the overall idea and vision for this. I was gonna try to go to next years one, mainly to talk Bitcoin, but it occurs to me that we need a space to talk nostr explicitly as well. If you look at the X page for the Muslim tech fest, they literally had a stage for folks involved in shitcoins, and they even had folks from google's AI team talking on a panel. We should be there countersignaling. Let me know what y'all think and I can try to help arrange something.

Islamic cybernetics is close enough

For that, you'll have to go down the rabbit hole to learn more: https://theiqrafiles.com/blog/

Some concepts to familiarize yourself with: Malthusianism Praxeology Fourth Turning High modernism Cypherpunk Cantillon Effect Time Preference Islamic Cybernetics Moral Hazard Argumentation ethics Post Authorship Mimetic theory Marginal utility Jevons Paradox Schelling point Reterritorialization

We finally uploaded the talk by Simon Dixon This was my favorite from the Muslim Bitcoin Summit. Simon explains how the global fiat monetary system funds what he calls a “proof of weapons” network: a cycle of military expansion, global surveillance, and centralized control maintained through debt and inflation. Watch it here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsNyK7eQ00

Alhamdulilah Will be interesting to see the discussion shift to addressing the riba problem with fiat money. The implications for that are massive when we have a viable alternative like Bitcoin, which is already being established as halal

Starting to see a lot more Muslim scholars call Bitcoin halal Love to see it

You will connect to NoorNode

It's time! I'd love to contribute to this

Pakistan’s Finance Minister and State Minister on Crypto Bilal just talked with Michael Saylor about #Bitcoin

Dajjal shows up and Bitcoin can only dip 2%

Bruh WW3 is starting and the Bitcoin price ain't even dropping