Just listen to the ~30sec intro for a great example of bitcoin maxi culture vs OG cypherpunks Monero Talk: The Privacy Coin Surge: How Monero, Zcash, and Others Are Competing — w/ Diego Salazar | EPI 366 Episode webpage: https://www.monerotalk.live/monerotalk-366 Media file: https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/9813d709-5a6d-4a87-8b5e-46ebf14f99d6/5831e402-fe63-466e-bc49-2ca3ab8aa1ab.mp3

Except it's not really CP they're worried about, rather things like Citrea. Funny, at this rate maxis will be telling us all about terrorists and money launderers next, too.

For whoever needs to read it. https://blog.lopp.net/knot-a-serious-project/

Perhaps you're satisfied with leaving an eternal trail of plaintext information about all your transactions. If you can't see why that is not optimal, I don't have anything else to say to you. And I wouldn't care at all, except your stupidity normalizes things that screw everyone else too, like always-on surveillance. But you can't see that either, or you would think differently about it, and so there is no point in wasting more time trying to make you see the obvious.

My house has glass windows and no curtains, but you don't know where I live, tee hee. When did we reach such levels of idiocy?

You seem to be conflating anonymity with privacy. I don't know your bank account either. Do you think it's very private? Don't be stupid.

Kinda. Liquid has confidential transactions, but addresses remain linkable. Lightning is exceedingly complex to grasp, the network is also really centralized, but let's not even go that way: you're simply not gonna be moving millions over LN (liquidity issues), not even hundreds of thousands. It's the always-on, everything-opaque type of deal those who thrive on parasitizing others fear. It makes their scam void.

Hey since having zero privacy is not dangerous, would you mind posting publicly here your BTC addresses?

Now you know how other people feel about bitcoiners lol.

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but but but.. nostr tells me space is fake and the Earth is flat, what is this sorcery?

Plus the reputational taint of being associated with "drug money" #monero .. actually heard this one in real life recently, lost a few braincells to that. Of course, those idiots have no idea that's what people used to say about bitcoin... before they realized it's completely transparent.

"This will be the end of you" and "I will end you" are two wildly different statements. He probably (and I stress the probably, I don't know this person and I am not defending (or not defending) him) meant that history will, in hindsight, not look kindly on those who self-styled as human rights defenders/activists whilst peddling tools that due to their deficient privacy will inevitably get people killed or imprisoned while ignoring the tools that worked really well and offered great privacy, all because their dogmatic religion and peer pressure forbade them from being intellectually honest about the pitfalls of bitcoin and the strong points of things like #monero or #zcash

Consuming a substance active in the micrograms range mixed unevenly in chocolate might just be the most yolo thing I've read this month.

What makes it financial data as opposed to data storage? Interpretation. You call it data storage because you don't like the tech stack being built on top of it. I call it financial data because I see the use case and I embrace it. At the end of the day it's all zeros and ones. Data it still is. What you're calling "data storage" is simply more financial data but in a different format. You just don't like that it's not a standard bitcoin transaction, even though such transactions follow all consensus rules just fine. Permissionless, remember? Anyone can use the network. They don't require anyone's blessings to do so. As long as they follow the consensus rules. Which those transactions you don't like do. Free markets, remember? DeFi has immense adoption, why do you think that is? Are you smarter and more enlightened than the free market? And now bringing this to Bitcoin has - outside of maxi circles - pretty strong promise and interest - so again, do you know better than the market? It's only free markets until you disagree with the outcome? Censorship resistant, remember? And yet there are the detractors coming up with new and inventive ways to censor the things they don't like.

Does it take away from the monetary usecase of the protocol though? It will just happen in other layers, and in all likelihood (remains to be seen) will attract an immense amount of capital, which will pump hodler bags like nothing else so far. Monero is great but it's also a small fraction of Bitcoin, in terms of network effect, network security, etc. It makes all the sense in the world to put that infrastructure on Bitcoin, as it's by very far the most secure and decentralized L1. Which, you know, is why so many smart developers are working on those "defi on bitcoin" type of projects. I, for one, welcome our new defi overlords.

low IQ. Bitcoin is not private at all, you can always see source and dest addrs + asset (BTC) + amount. As typical of low IQs, you're conflating privacy with anonymity. Bitcoin is weakly pseudonymous and not private. Monero is private and anonymous.

Well, parents have their not-so-small share of responsibility there too.

Objectivity and technical merit, unless found in bitcoin, is not something that "hardcore bitcoiners" tend to factor into their calculations.

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