P2P is better suited for everything. Every peer in a P2P platform can be a relay. When you relay a message your IP is not directly associated. Even then things like onion routing in a P2P platform are totally possible with the added benefit of more nodes. Infact the lack of fixed static nodes makes network attacks ie logging ips at the routers or servers much harder No offense but have you considered the viability of keychat? Playforms like signal, matrix and more hit scaling and funding issues, even telegram would have this problem. What technology stack can scale to whatsapps 3billion users tomorrow with no costs or service interruptions? What tech stack is unaffected if AWS or any data center goes down? You should know the answer P2P

I love nostr but it hasn't solved servers so I see something like keet as much more hopeful I just tried bitchat again and this time obviously after many updates it works. It's disturbing it requires location access tho, so I removed it The basic issue with servers is someone needs to run them and in lieu of some giant corp paying people to do that it just never happens at scale even then funding it is difficult and compromises ux. P2P circumvents that problem by integrating the server software into ever app and making it run automatically Something like nostr could certainly run P2P which is basically what keet is doing but unlike nostr the social protocol in keet is still hidden but all the P2P stuff isn't

You can verify it you put the effort. From the ethos of the people building it tho I would trust it especially way more than telegram or whatsapp

How did you find them? I love Keet but bitchat didn't work for me when I tried it and Keychat still uses server so won't succeed

They are my speculations, tbh P2P solves so many problems it's worth trying. They never fully open source anything yet, they plan to next year The early versions of keet on desktop had all the source available in the install location which they later obfuscated but is still available The app and tech is extremely promising and looks near 100% will replace all current tech. You need to realise any problem centralised tech and data centres etc solve P2P can solve and actually solve better but it just needs different thinking

Because some of keet remains closed its not fully certain what the issues are, which is probably the biggest issue, but from having used it here is some ideas and speculationsI have Direct IP connections exposing your IP. These do not happen all the time tho Main id, username and screen name exposed to every room Seems like no forward secrecy on the P2P distributed room data Seems the room data can be freely distributed to anyone that knows it exists but there is obviously an issue identifying it given peers also encrypt connections to each other Notifications on mobile in some part (said to be encrypted obviously) go via Google and apples servers Each room message is identifiable to each device Screenshot message data might be matchable to room hash data Might be possible to forge results with their username system then maybe mitm is possible etc

-Keet can link one id across unlimited devices -Keet rooms have moderation and persistence unlike any other platform. All peers leaving a room is a nonsensical argument. You can remove keet from all active devices in a room and still recover the room if a copy exists -Keet relays most messages by default hiding ips, onion routing can be added to keet in future and you are free to use a VPN or onion routing on your network connection etc Keets infrastructure grows with every device, it has no scaling limits or cost. The developer of Keet is extremely focused on privacy

Less than 1% of people will run a server where as 100% run the P2P app, server client does not scale

Signals server is unverifiable and vulnerable to mitm, the app you download could use modified source code or the compiler or app store could modify it, the open source libraries used by signal could be comprised too, your system or hardware may be comprised

Already available https://github.com/holepunchto/keet-mobile-releases

Keet is P2P, there is no way xchat is P2P

What are the main features from session you would like in Keet?

Keet uses other peers to relay, it's just everyone in P2P can be one Alot of the metadata and other security issues with keet are yet to be addressed but can be

Keet sacrifices scalability? Has greater friction? Fluidity? Like wtf are you talking about? Nothing can scale as easy as Keet, nothing. I don't know of any apps with lower friction either...

It moves bandwidth use more local so it will reduce backhaul use. It's main drawback is trying to work out how to do it given no one has ever before. Also updating the "server" software requires every peer to update

It works by making every keet app a server. The term peer means equal. So rather than have different apps ie a client and server app filling different functions, you have one app filling all functions. Hence we have the term peer to peer were everything is between equals It turns out P2P is actually far superior to client server. It has differences that require much thinking to work out how to do them but once implemented it can not be matched for speed and scaling

A proprietary communication tool used by over 3 billion people. Meta the company that runs it is famous for spying on its users Getting the world off WhatsApp onto a more free app should be a huge priority for everyone. Apps like signal can not solve this problem because they do not scale with no costs, only P2P can solve this

There is only one chat app that can replace WhatsApp today and that's Keet