I wish more had this careful but conclusion thoughts. Perhaps most have and we only see the "black and white" responses of those who are just vocal but are the minority ? I agree the best solution right now is running an older release. I don't trust core v30 and simply don't know enought about Knots. I don't think Bitcoin is in a phase that can be frozen. But I don't have a clue what must be done to continue with further releases. Antonopoulos once told that core/developers have no power whatsoever. But I care too much to just ignore all this. Harm can be done. It is just a tool that enables financial freedom for mankind, we cant fool around 😡

It is getting boring. For the children, for your safety, for freedom, for the country, for Europe, but it are always chains. ALWAYS CHAINS !

It is funny what Bitcoin does to us. I always knew the current system is not working very well. To realize how 'retarded' most people actually are while trying to explain how the fiat system works and how Bitcoin is a sane alternative. To realize Democracy is scary as hell...

We are standing on shoulders of giants 😀

Yep.. THE DISTURBING fact to me is that despite we think we live in modern, civilized times somehow we can still allow this kind of completely nonsense to happen. It is just embarrassing.....

I have this hope much of your described insensitive behavior is in fact caused by the currupt fiat system we live in. Money is one of the basic foundations of moders society. And by being 'corrupt' we can't expect the society living on that standard to be different than 'corrupt'. At least that gives me the hope we have a fix, being #Bitcoin....

It 'feels' like current demand is filled by some long term hodlers being able to offload #Bitcoin by the thousands. If we just look at the coinbase of the first 4 years cycle a lot of bitcoins where released. The math is simple 50%, of all 21 million, in the first 4 year, 25% in the second 4 year, 12,5% in the third, etc. That shows us there are a lot of coins once bought for cheap, and every time price goes up being a potential trigger for them to be sold. At some point people will be triggered to sell some or many of their Bitcoin. My guess is, I don't have the tools to check these numbers, that a lot of those whale sells we currently see are those long term holders cashing out. Everyone has price levels or goals in their head. For childeren growing up that really could use some support to buy a first house, or just making dreams come through, etc etc. These waves of sell pressure are natural. But every four year we pass Bitcoin will be distributed better over all humans. Meaning those potential sell waves will also smooth out. Everyone that bought below $1000 or $100 and bought some is now looking at a million for each 10 Bitcoin they have. At the first halving, end of 2012, one Bitcoin was $12.50. At the second halving, july 2016, one Bitcoin was at ~ $600. That means some 11 million Bitcoin where bought extreme cheap. And most of the following 5 million Bitcoin were bought cheap. If I would have bought at those prices I know I would have unloaded some by now. If someone has the data available of when current sold Bitcoin where purchased, some rough numbers would do, that would be interesting, to see if this makes sense.

We also simply have to admit no form of, known, money can stop insane behavior. If a person is willing to use violence Bitcoin won't protect you. And yes also on a big scale if one government has military dominance, can control/destroy all infrastructure, Bitcoin can't help you. Personally I think it is not one of the, primary, functions money should have.

Everythink can "be found". But some things must be taught... by the default education system.

Has made me wonder for a long time. If so few understand PERMISSIONLESS what do they know about freedom, money, value, and so on. To realize a lot of "Bitcoiners" are BINO, Bitcoiners In Name Only.

The "#Bitcoin data war" will just be another, hard needed, reminder you can't trust but need to VERIFY. 🤷‍♂️

You still have a free choice. Study #Bitcoin on your own initiative and save as much wealth as you can. Or be forced to use #Bitcoin, broken, poor, raped by the next fiat crisis. Probably forced to work for Satoshis or sell hard assets to get some.. The last financial crisis was 2013. Check the Cyprus bank crisis. That legislation is now implemented is most places. Since that last crisis nothing was resolved. In fact the problems and debts only got bigger. #Bitcoin, your own keys and unfortunately better not talk about it too much.

In my situation taxes on #Bitcoin are literally chasing me away to better jurisdictions. Imagine the change that is going to happen.... Countries will have to attract #Bitcoins just as they right now need to attract companies, investments and high net value individuals. Governments really don't have a clue what they are doing except for the usual short term, easy fixes they can come up with. PATHETIC !

Freedom is like a child. You can't just state you want it. You need to find the right partner. You need to have sex. Nine months of pregnancy. And that is just the start of it.... The child need parents, food, love, money to support it, responsibility, commitment. After some 18 to 21 years, it is supposed to be an adult... Wel give it a try...... Don't underestimate what freedom takes and what responsibilities go with it ! Wouldn't want life without either of them 🥰

Quickly, flush it 😅

SUDO #Bitcoin to $250k 🤑

Hello... "Hello this is 911, how can I help you ?" Yes hi, I would like to report a murder.....

Wow, impressive ! Keep up the good work !

Most people can't handle it when the masks come off....

The only government I would kind of trust is one that has implemented a way to dissolve itself when it gets out of hand. So in fact that government is controlled, depending on, perhaps even 'afraid' of the people, and not the other way around. It should prevent a government that has a tendency to keep ever growing, collecting ever more power. And as such will have irresistible attraction to the wrong people. One can dream. #Bitcoin at least separates money and state. Taking away one huge power factor that is clearly abused, and being the cause of many insane events. Lets see where this will bring us.

"If the seventeenth through the nineteenth centuries were, in many countries of the West, times of accelerating social power, and a corollary increase in freedom, peace, and material welfare, the twentieth century, has been primarily an age in which State power has been catching up—with a consequent reversion to slavery, war, and destruction." Why isn't this teached in class ???? Why are so few capable of seeing what fiat does/causes ?

We can't deny this 'evolution'. Yes we can ignore to see it but that is different. In my mind this is the result of too big a concentration of power and/or wealth. These concentrations attracts the wrong people. And results become visible. Humanity either finds ways to prevent such wealth and/or power concentrations or evolves in a more intelligent species. The alternative will probably be self-destruction. Most extreme wealthy or intelligent persons are suffering more or less from a God syndrome. But very few are actually 'wise'. One of the things that triggers me nowadays is those who want to lead others. Doesn't matter to me if a company or government construction. If you want to lead people you should feel responsible. How can any 'sane' person voluntary take the responsibility for hundreds, thousands let alone millions of people ? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Ok such a snowpiecer ! It is more one big interconnected neverending train running in a big circle. Now instead of you getting aboard, think of it as your wealth getting onboard. It is safe from inflation, only recievable if you show the right PrivateKey. No governments or banks involved nor needed neither can they fuckup something. 🤷‍♂️

If it was a snowpiercer why would everyone call ot a train ?

€70-€100..... I don't know, but that means half the amount I spend weekly on groceries, can fill up my car once, etc etc. What kind of "major instability" is she talking about ? Please start thinking for yourself....

So we should limit op_return to 80 bytes.

Because the design is such that for those who want to get aboard the perron is temporarily moving at the same speed as the train is.

Fiat's main purpose is to transport value over space. But money should also be able to transport value over time. Said nicely, they have taken away that transport over time property. To make it better understandable I would say: they took it away to be able to ROB you of your wealth ! Study #Bitcoin

Bitcoin is about freedom. As usual the most expect/demand others to take care for it while they think they are entitled to enjoy it. Not much changes this quickly....

These are valid arguments to me. The problem is they need brought discussion to align upon. I don't have all the answers. But we can't afford to make real mistakes with Bitcoin. In that sense I promote running an older Bitcoin release over newer doubtful releases. The basic discussion is: We realized we can't trust humans to make sane decisions about the printing of money so we took that possibility away. But we forgot the same applies to maintaining the Bitcoin release. The question is do we have to wait for prove and the wrong people to come along and abuse/destroy Bitcoin. Or do we find a way to 'freeze' the base layer. I love to hear other solutions.

So Bitcoin Core version 29.1 is already compromised? What is a safe version to run ?

The scary/frustrating part is that even those hurt by inflation, most still have a hard time to consider Bitcoin.... 🤷‍♂️

There are only two Rights: Those granted to you by others. (You never know how long those last and if/what will be expected in return) Those you can enforce yourself.

Another sign 'they' have absolutely no touch whatsoever with reality. 72 hours worth of cash ? What kind of calamity do they have in mind. Almost every healthy person can survive 72 hours, just some water will do. Preparing has only use with scenarios in mind. Know what the risksare in your situation. Make plans to negotiate them. To fast conclude being somewhat prepared involves a lot. And 72 hours of cash is so insane to propose it isn't even funny.

That is inflation. Apparently you can still laugh about it "lol". In a not to far future it will start to really hurt most people. Got #Bitcoin ?

🇮🇩 Bitcoin is de geweldloze revolutie.