Any project that bases their #WoT solution merely on microblog follows is doomed to fail. Explicit trust assertions don't work either. Yahoo failed against Google for a reason. Manual curation simply doesn't work, _unless_ it is done in a decentralized way, by leaders and moderators of _organically_ built communities. Without communities (read: relay-based moderated groups with enthusiastic leaders) it is not possible to align nostr closely with the reality of how people form networks, and we are destined to reintroduce central chokepoints. I know it's tempting to just sit at your desk all day and write algorithms. It will not solve the problem of decentralized WoT alone though. You won't just suddenly engineer your way out of a massive problem that existed since the internet came along. With all seriousness, I hope no one in their right mind thinks that we will do better than Google by running massive crawlers and algos on twitter-follows to build and faithfully represent authentic trust relationships on nostr. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the work some people put into wot algos, but **these should be used as ancillary services, not as the foundations of Trust**. And precisely this allows niche wot score providers to come alive. Don't put the cart before the horse, or we will subject ourselves to machines again, whatever ingenious idea we had before. People should come first. The real solution is to onboard freedom-oriented community leaders to Nostr. Farmers, artists, religious communities, cypherpunk groups... Bitcoin anchored itself to reality by introducing PoW mining. The Proof of Work for Nostr will be building and onboarding communities. It is the thermodynamic anchor to Trust. I see no other way we can avoid centralization (1-2 wot providers used by everyone) or uselessness (spam). Resist WoT alchemy. Focus on building good software for communities and marketplaces that tap into that Trust. Everything else will fall into place. That's how Nostr wins.

If you ask enough "Why" you eventually get to a point where you can only say "I don't know, just because I like to / want to do it". This can reveal your deepest values. I want freedom for its own sake. I like to build communities because I like to connect with deep thinkers, other builders and interesting people, to learn and get inspired for its own sake.

Bitcoiners will realize they HODLed to spend ultimately. The more bitcoin saved means eventually more bitcoin spent as the medium of exchange utility kicks in. It is a forcing function. On the other hand, we will have more people wanting to earn in bitcoin: hard and permissionless money. This is another driver of medium of exchange adoption. Nostr will help speeding things up by establishing unstoppable markets built on cryptographic identity and open data formats. Compatible Communities bootstrap these markets effectively. They provide the root of trust as it once was in physical space, before states diluted real trust with mass-nationalization, destroying and homogenizing identity and culture under one centralized "nation". Bitcoin is sound money, solving the coincidence of wants. Nostr is sound identity solving the coincidence of relevance. It means that everyone can at last discover the best people to deal with, and no one can stop it. We must rebuild authentic connections piece by piece with freedom tech if we want a prosperous future. How do you spend bitcoin without permissionless, authentic marketplaces, built on real trust? This is where Nostr will shine. A real problem where sustainable businesses can be built. Consider building products and services for communities and marketplaces on Nostr, with bitcoin-based payments. My top priority

https://youtu.be/ghIO9f8h-c0 You can go on and on sermonizing about how we need open IDs and support private and secure record sharing... And then of course comply with bullshit governments and big tech corps. Or you can just say: generate keypairs, publish signed messages and chill. What a shitshow, open-source spirit is nothing without freedom tech.

Yes it is natural to merge markets with communities (I built a PoC Jobs tab in Flotilla but disabled it for now), it is not very clear to me how it's done best. Can integrate communities as the primary sources of trust for freelancers and clients on SatShoot, once some communities are online. I can render Jobs/Services in BudaBit then, and link this content type to SatShoot. That seems like a good start to me.

Yes, this is the closest conceptually. I have been aware of #communikeys and want to see it happen. And you are right, there are a lot of specs and it's confusing but the exploration phase is naturally like that. Hope to ossify around sth like communikeys, and I am leaning towards sth like this implemented for #Budabit in due time. Budabit actually doesn't fully use nip29 yet, we never migrated along with #Flotilla . - Flotilla left the channels/rooms concept behind, something I value because it helps frame chat discussions. Note that this is not supported by communikeys either. - Communikeys has badges to whitelist content types but I may need richer moderation methods, like in nip29. Right now for Budabit I want to make a decent social experience with advanced Git features happen, so it can be lucrative for open-source communities to join. Unique utility comes first. Flotilla has most things implemented nicely. It's enough for now. After onboarding some communities and getting feedback, we will tend to the social features again, and re-evaluate the specs.

Social media has never worked, and will never serve people, ever. But there's a better way. Social media was bootstrapped from communities, and then bastardized them to sell people off to advertisers. The embrace -> extend -> extinguish paradigm that feeds on distrust and discord. I am increasingly astonished that freedom-minded people ever thought that this distorted view of society can be tweaked to suddenly become useful. Reminds me of communists trying for ever to make their central planning "paradise on earth" a reality. Well, I guess that deep envy and resentment covered with moral camouflage will never go away either. It is highly attractive to the leeches of society. It's time to wake up. And time to invest in communities. Nostr can really shine if it can let go of the dopamine-fueled NGU vision of social media. You want to get closer to how people actually form successful relationships? They create families. Big families that form the root of trust. They extend it with friends, and they further extend the circle with communities forming around common interests and goals. Nostr can make these communities compatible with each other, with less lock-in, better discovery and more flourishing than any other model we have had so far. Just enough technological enhancement, with people's real interests in mind. No other way.

I have been thinking about outbox model since this pod. I came to the conclusion that outbox model also only works in the context of communities. End-users don't care about servers, community leaders do. Users care about the community they joined. Big difference. Also, for communities, discoverability matters. Their leaders are ready to pay for services to create a better place for their members. Outbox model falls apart if it's done on the user-level. Will never work. But it _will_ in the context of communities. It's a scalable and sustainable model for nostr.

Bitcoin's culture relies on thorough arguments based on technology and economic incentives. Arbitrary narratives based on fairy tales and optics has never lasted too long. Let's get something straight: - Demand for arbitrary data on the blockchain will NOT exceed demand for monetary transactions in the long run. Shitcoiners will definitely be outpriced. Why are you in bitcoin in the first place if you cannot believe that? - Op_return filters create worse incentives economically (more non-standard, centralized transaction transmission, further mining centralization) and technologically (dumping garbage data in worse places than the trash cans, i.e. longer verification: slower IBD, more orphaned blocks) Virtue signaling will not save you from reality. The hard part is actually **getting rid of the emotional fluff and think hard on the best approach with nuance.** The good part is that whoever is wrong will probably be obvious, since many will indeed run core v30, and we've gathered decent amount of data from the filtered days of course. Moreover, the op_return debate has no fatal impact on bitcoin. I can see some doomsday pessimism telling us otherwise, but this kind of alarmism is similar to a childish Malthusian prophecy to me. I have seen some good technical and economical arguments on the Knots side as well, which I disagree with but soon the rubber will meet the road and in a few years we'll see.

Was looking for a way to try #Satlantis on mobile. Only extension login, which doesn't work on Chrome, but nos2fox failed as well. Guess that means desktop only for Android people (they have an iOS app). Nsec login as fallback is not the end of the world, at least I could try the app with a test account.

I have a very strong conviction that Nostr cannot be captured by big tech at this point. They can just ignore it. Unless... Let's start at the beginning: Nostr's simple design makes small room for attacks on Nostr itself: closed source software, lack of event verification, proprietary APIs rather than querying relays directly, no relay selection in clients... these type of things are trivial to spot. I also firmly believe that event kinds will in time consolidate and ossify, it's a strong incentive for players in the same industry/area. Decentralized relay management will get stronger too, as best practices form. We have relay selection on the user level with sane fallbacks/defaults as a starting point. Things will be fine on this front as well I think. **The biggest threat right now is not doing the hard work to implement quality software with viable business models supporting the projects.** Big tech has hordes of fiat code monkeys to deliver convenience. They don't have anything else than that though. They cannot do what freedom tech enables. What is your edge? Delivering freedom in a way people can receive it: build it up from sane default options gradually towards sovereignty. You can start with convenience but surface the options with care in due time. This seems to be harder to do than the walled garden model, but actually pays off long-term handsomely: your users will be more educated and thank you for it because you were there when they were in the dark, when they needed you most. They will become your apostles, and network effect might build up. For people who are afraid of "doing nostr in the wrong way" or "cannot find the exact way to do xyz", consider this: No client app is profitable yet. Take everything with a grain of salt other than basic OS principles, freedom tech values and NIP01, which are crystal clear. Use the OS code: look at it, play with it, fork it, think about it. There's no real substitute for that. You can read a million pages of spec, vibe code for ever to fake it till you fail, or go get your hands dirty and master it in no time. Yes, it takes more effort to do, than to consume. Demonstrate Proof of Work. **Don't let fear guide your decisions! Build in a permissionless way, on a permissionless protocol.** If you get dragged down arguing on NIPxyz on github or anywhere else rather than building for your target audience, you lose. You lose because you are relying on futile reassurence instead of passion to deliver value. To ship the future. Don't ever let them steer your ship. The only thing you should be afraid of is opportunity cost of the precious time that distracts you from building. If only a handful of people do this, we will win. Those who read this far might be the ones. Go _build_ the future you want to see in the world.

I will not rest until Nostr and Bitcoin infiltrates every square inch of the FOSS ecosystem.

Really good points. Keep it up!