Just because it improves privacy considerably doesn't mean that the current solution can't be used for optimal in privacy. But yes, I look forward to that day..

They spent their lives protecting their users, not thinking they'd need protection from their nation. The way I see it, post Samurai, privacy tools will need to be developed by anonymous teams. No more trust. Open source, private, trustless, anon devs. Bitcoin had it's time to push for mass adoption through shitty kyc arm locking, now for the future, it needs to grow up.

This thread has been fun.

Free-market bidding WORKS when there’s consistent demand. You ASSUME this demand for on-chain settlement in a world that is increasingly moving off-chain to AVOID those fees! Greed finds a way. Housing and bandwidth are necessities. Blockspace is optional while competing/preferable alternatives exist. Also, BTCs transparent ledger exposes every settlement to surveillance. Why TF, in a post Samurai world, would you really expect or encourage people to pay for a public record of their finances in a surveillance state? Lemme guess, freedom.

You had me at candlelit dinners jajaja

Works great

Your ideological purity is showing under your slip bro. Btc bets that fees alone will secure the network. Xmr ensures it. If Btc banks on greed as a motivating factor in all this to work out in theory, why assume users will pay the onchain fees when other options are available? Greed cuts both ways, and I'm afraid maxis haven't thought that far ahead.

Monero’s tail emission isn’t “endless inflation”, it’s a fixed, known emission rate that ensures long-term miner incentives and preserves network security when fees alone may not suffice. This isn't dilution in the fiat sense; it's a capped, predictable tradeoff for sustainability. Bitcoin’s fee market model is still unproven at scale especially during low activity periods. The prayer is that fees rise enough to secure the chain without pricing users out, but this is just, in my opinion, unwarranted speculation. Both models reflect different assumptions about future network dynamics. But Monero’s approach is deliberately conservative, prioritizing privacy and longevity over ideological purity. That’s not a cheap shot. That’s sound engineering.

You're sidestepping the point: why would anyone pay for transparent, surveillable settlement in a post-Samourai world? That’s not a fee market, it’s a self-doxing market. As for your claim: Monero's tail emission guarantees a non-zero reward — Bitcoin hopes rising fees will fill the gap. That’s not “the same challenge.” That's a false equivalence. One has a floor. The other has a "...?" And no one called it magic..just honest, predictable, and sustainable, unlike banking literally everything on user generosity and government-friendly transparency.

Damn bro, a straw man and a false dichotomy in the same argument? You ok? Monero doesn’t trade sound money for false promises. It pairs privacy with predictable supply and sustainable security. That’s not fear of Bitcoin, it’s maturity in monetary design. It seems this feature causes those still addicted to the illusion that transparency equals incorruptibility to convulse a bit.

How is it I missed the launch of Cake Labs Monero Cupcake hardware wallet?